What is the difference between a patriot and a nationalist




















These words are preceded by concepts that are built upon the truth that something can be greater or lesser. So cut the crap, a nation of people can be greater or lesser than another. What if instead it was the US that was a third world shit hole?

Are you still going to be full of pride, refusing to see the flaws and issues that need fixing? Nationalism CAN be static and complacent. It CAN be a position of arrogance hindering people from improving themselves, unless self improvement is hard wired straight into the ethos of the nation, like in Japan for example at least from the looks of it. What if you happen to migrate to another country? Are you suddenly going to act like a slime ball on account of no longer living in the country you were born to?

The only reason why nationalism is labelled as such is because fascists use the term nationalism to describe their hateful intentions. Though it is true that they are practicing nationalism, they are practicing it extremely and in an unhealthy manner. Going back, nationalism is more on loving and preserving your own culture. Take for example. This is not to imply that you hate modernization, but rather, you want to preserve their culture by letting other people know, even if they are modernized already.

Let him talk for long enough and his tongue will replace the rope. A nationalist response is more along the lines of what Gandhi or Infantry Regiment did. Tell that to Paul Revere and the millions of Americans who died for this country considering it the greatest country on Earth.

I also happen to be white so that makes me a white nationalist… OMG! Leftist commucrats and globalists like the writer of this article are trying to make nationalism a pejorative… a dirty word. Going on this article, I am a patriot and not a nationalist because I seek to better our nation by addressing and correcting its flaws and to progress to a more just and equal nation rather than blindly supporting it without questioning it.

Remind me to never get stuck in a foxhole with you, Mr. Question Man Commucrat. Like I already said. The leftist lunatic globalists want to make it a dirty word to believe in nationalism. Get an education, pal. This article is full of gross generalizations. I did however like the first definition provided for Patriotism and Nationalism. First, what defines a nation is contested. Thus, the same issue applies to a greater degree for nationalism.

Nationalism can be Rightwing, Leftwing, centrist, traditionalist, and perhaps in many more forms. Let us take the Fascist Nationalism of Benito Mussolini as a case study.

In this context Nationalism is defined by violence and imperialism. Let us take the Nationalism of India for a contrast.

Indian nationalism of the 30ss aimed to liberate India. In fact Nationalism is a normal part of discourse in India. There is moderate, extreme, and other forms of nationalism in India. Even many communists in India profess nationalism some as deceit for votes and support while others, rarely, genuinely are nationalistic. Nelson Mandela was a Nationalist who opposed apartheid. Hitler was a Nazi nationalist who used it to promote racism and genocide. There was Bismark, who through realism, sought to establish a German state, which is an example of nationalism.

It is a shame that many on this comment section have become militant in their support and opposition to this very broad and undefined category.

It is a word with fluid meaning. It is diverse and undefined. It grows shrinks and so on. Your definitions and distinctions were helpful, but I object to your calling patriotism passive. Patriotism — love of the fatherland — inspires actions that benefit the nation and its inhabitants. This is totally wrong. I would say that that notion rather is linked to patriotism, as patriotism is artificial.

Nationalism is based on the notion that kinship gives affinity, a notion everyone know is true. Patriotism is based on the notion that a set of beliefs could replace kinship bonds, something that is practically impossible to do. Where nationalism and an nation state e. A patriotic country on the other hand can consist of several different peoples that tries to overcome their cultural differences and different background through a artificial set of beliefs that everyone is supposed to abide too.

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Author Recent Posts. Prabhat S. Latest posts by Prabhat S see all. Help us improve. Rate this post! If Lavinians have a hunch that their neighbors, the Illyrians—with whom they share part of the territory—might want to form an independent state, it is rational for them to enter the claim first; even worse, it is rational for them to start preparing to back their claim by force.

But if the Illyrians can foresee that—as they probably will—it is rational for them to hurry up. In such a situation it becomes more and more difficult even to signal good intentions, if one has them, and increasingly dangerous to believe such signals from the other side.

It is also rational for both parties to try to strike first. Also, once tensions have become high, it is rational for each member of the ethnic group to identify completely with their group. In such circumstances, extremist sub-groups will easily increase their influence, at the expense of moderate sub-groups. The process has been described many times by political scientists.

Let me give an example from Croatia: the election of Franjo Tudjman to the presidency at the culmination of the political crisis in the former Yugoslavia was to a great extent motivated by his image as a tough politician with a military background, and therefore capable of responding to the provocation of Milosevic.

His closest competitors had better political and personal qualities—as seen from the safe perspective of the West—but they were obviously inclined to compromise: their image was not hawkish enough to guarantee to the average Croatian citizen that they would display the requisite toughness and aggressivity in response to the direct threats issued by Belgrade.

Unfortunately, at each particular step, the non-cooperative attitude was more rational than the cooperative one. Let me illustrate the claim that the negative results of the invidious stance tend to have ramifications in all sorts of areas.

The fact that the Serbian war criminal Seselj, after having led campaigns of the crudest ethnic cleansing, was appointed to the chair of Constitutional Law at Belgrade University in January would be humorous were it not so chilling, his promotion papers having been signed by respectable Belgrade law professors.

Imagine the effect of this on the promotion of human rights in Serbia, the credibility of his fellow professors, and trust in the Constitution. One of the most often used means of justification is ethno-national mythology.

The nationalists-in-the-street, of course, believe nationalist myths: Spanish nationalists believe in the Gothic origin and essence of the Castilian nation; Slovenian nationalists believe in the non-Slavic, allegedly old Venetian origin of the Slovenes; and so on, without end.

The ultra-moderate nationalist D. Miller describes the situation in the following, in my opinion correct, terms:. The nation is conceived as a community extended in history and with a distinct character that is natural to its members. Dispassionate research is likely to reveal considerable discontinuity, both in the character of the people who have occupied a given territory, and in their customs and practices.

It is also likely to reveal that many things now regarded as primordial features of the nation in question are in fact artificial inventions, indeed, very often deliberate inventions made to serve a political purpose. It appears, therefore, that national identities cannot survive critical reflection.

If one applies to them normal canons of rationality, they are revealed to be fraudulent. Miller, , Part of the canon of literary works that my own generation was taught in school were epics about the struggle of Christian Slavic peoples—Croats, Serbs, Montenegrins— against Ottoman rule. Njegos , glorifies the massacre of the local Montenegro Muslims, perpetrated by an ancestor of the author, himself a prince and a high-ranking cleric.

The hero is far from being unsophisticated; he is even troubled by doubts about the propriety of his planned deed; however, he quickly regains his equanimity and organizes a preemptive ethnic cleansing of his small country. Our teachers never questioned the propriety of the massacre; it was—and still is— presented in Yugoslav schools as a perfectly normal thing for a prince to do in a situation of crisis.

I remember how surprised I was when, at the age of eighteen, a Bosnian Muslim girl told me that she found the poem deeply offensive, so successful had my teachers been in convincing me of its value. Since cultural identity in its eyes trumps all other considerations, classical nationalism recommends sacrificing the recalcitrant values of truth and benevolence. Regarding factual falsity, it recommends accepting mythology as it stands and discourages further inquiry.

In the immediate post-war years in newly independent Croatia a historian could be fired for openly questioning the truth of the officially recognized national myths. It is still so in Greece, and to some extent in Bulgaria and Albania. Regarding the negative attitude towards neighbors including mythology-based territorial claims , it tolerates, if it does not straightforwardly recommend, sacrificing a cooperative attitude to the construction and affirmation of national identity.

The Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic used the cultural myth of Kosovo at the peak of his political campaign—on the occasion of the th anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo, at the mass meeting at Kosovo Polje on 28 June — and the appeal to cultural myth remained one of the most powerful propaganda weapons in the terrible war that ensued.

The nationalist ideologues of smaller peoples tend to picture them as guardians of some more widely valued heritage for example, in the Balkans, Christian values are presented as in need of defense against Muslims, and in Poland the values of the Catholic West are presented as in need of defense against the Orthodox-cum-Muslim East.

Larger nations, such as the Germans, the Russians, and the Han Chinese, have produced ideologies of a messianic role—ethnic, racial, or religious—on a continental or global scale.

Let me illustrate this with a particularly worrisome example. A central topic in Russian culture for two centuries has been the so-called Russian Idea, a syndrome of views and attitudes about the special role Russia has been called upon to play in world history. Many leading intellectuals—such as the creator of contemporary phonology, Prince Trubetzkoy, the biologist Gumilev son of the poet Anna Akhmatova , and the art historian Losev—have invented theories about the special character of the Russian people and the beastly nature of their enemies, East or West.

Can either of them mean different things to different people? Patriotism is the older of the two words, with published written evidence dating back to the middle of the 17th century. There is hardly any judicious man but knoweth, that it was neither learning, piety, nor patriotism that perswaded any of that Nation to Presbytery…. There hath been in London, and repairing to it, for these many yeers together, a knot of Scotish bankers, collybists, or coinecoursers, of traffickers in Merchandise to and againe, and of men of other professions, who…hug all unto themselves; that, for no respect of vertue, honor, kinred, patriotism, or whatever else…whereof those quomodocunquizing clusterfists and rapacious varlets have given of late such cannibal-like proofs, by their inhumanity and obdurate carriage towards some whose shoos-strings they are not worthy to unty that were it not that a more able pen then mine, will assuredly not faile to jerk them on all sides….

End of side note. We do not have any evidence of nationalism occurring until just before the 19th century, almost a hundred and fifty years after patriotism. Nationalism must involve the consecrated devotion of a responsive citizenship, sound policies must have universal faith and unsound vagaries must have universal condemnation. Modern France, instead of diminishing, has, if possible, encreased this nationalism.

Removed from his oppression and atrocities, they see nothing but the magnificence, the success and the splendor of Bonaparte, and I assure you that every poor, ignorant, stupid Creole, when he hears of an achievement of this their Demi God, evinces a lively interest, an exultation as if some choice unlooked for gift of heaven had blessed his family.

If there be not Conservatism, and Nationalism, and Patriotism enough in the North to rise up and overwhelm with numbers the spirit that points to the the election of anybody but Fremont or of Fremont as the prelude to civil war, we had better seek to save as much fratricidal blood as possible in a peaceable line of immediate separation.

These two words may have shared a distinct sense in the 19th century, but they appear to have grown apart since. Or rather, it would be more accurate to say that only nationalism has grown apart, since the meaning of patriotism has remained largely unchanged.

Historically, both patriotism and nationalism were used roughly in the same way. But they significantly diverged along the way, and one has a much more positive connotation than the other. Do you know which is which? The term often brings to mind people directly involved with the defense of a nation, namely military service members as well as state and local government representatives.

For example: The soldiers showed exemplary patriotism defending their country from attack. Patriotism, however, can take many other forms outside serving in the military and public office.



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